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		<title>Comment on Collaborative Filtering and Social Capital by Deniz OKTAR</title>
		<link>http://blog.scrump.com/2008/11/21/collaborative-filtering-social-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Deniz OKTAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi,&lt;br /&gt;
This is Deniz from the iletken team. Thanks for the support :) you can check our progress @ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iletken-project.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;www.iletken-project.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We are really open for any criticism and questions. If you have any in mind, please contact us. Currently we are focusing on b2b market, so we wont be seen on the press much.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
This is Deniz from the iletken team. Thanks for the support :) you can check our progress @ <a href="http://www.iletken-project.com" target="_blank">http://www.iletken-project.com</a></p>

<p>We are really open for any criticism and questions. If you have any in mind, please contact us. Currently we are focusing on b2b market, so we wont be seen on the press much.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Collaborative Filtering and Social Capital by petef</title>
		<link>http://blog.scrump.com/2008/11/21/collaborative-filtering-social-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>petef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dan&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I like your metaphor a lot. I have been thinking that whuffie shouldn&#039;t be a &#039;limited resource&#039;, in the sense that there is a hard limit on how much you can &#039;give&#039; to people, on the basis that if you were too profligate with your giving it would be devalued anyway. The notion of damping inflation and gaming by linking it to some renewable but finite and non-physical resource, especially one so personal, is very interesting.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the heads up on the openid issues, I&#039;ll try and take a look at it soon.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan</p>

<p>I like your metaphor a lot. I have been thinking that whuffie shouldn&#039;t be a &#039;limited resource&#039;, in the sense that there is a hard limit on how much you can &#039;give&#039; to people, on the basis that if you were too profligate with your giving it would be devalued anyway. The notion of damping inflation and gaming by linking it to some renewable but finite and non-physical resource, especially one so personal, is very interesting.</p>

<p>Thanks for the heads up on the openid issues, I&#039;ll try and take a look at it soon.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Collaborative Filtering and Social Capital by Dan Brickley</title>
		<link>http://blog.scrump.com/2008/11/21/collaborative-filtering-social-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Brickley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve a hunch (- &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/CO2p &quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/CO2p &lt;/a&gt;-) that some silly metaphor like &quot;giving the time of day...&quot; could work here. It&#039;s hard to fabricate a limited resource without a central banker. So one side of this is keeping track of the &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; time of day - who has invested time and energy and calories in which topics, people, efforts; the other is anchoring karma/whuffie-type systems with real limits that will damp down gaming and inflation...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;ps. talking of anchoring to real identities - commenting with openid here didn&#039;t work, it said it couldn&#039;t find openid info in my url (&lt;a href=&quot;http://danbri.org/) &quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://danbri.org/) &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve a hunch (- <a href="http://bit.ly/CO2p " target="_blank"></a><a href="http://bit.ly/CO2p" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/CO2p</a> -) that some silly metaphor like &quot;giving the time of day...&quot; could work here. It&#039;s hard to fabricate a limited resource without a central banker. So one side of this is keeping track of the <em>real</em> time of day - who has invested time and energy and calories in which topics, people, efforts; the other is anchoring karma/whuffie-type systems with real limits that will damp down gaming and inflation...</p>

<p>ps. talking of anchoring to real identities - commenting with openid here didn&#039;t work, it said it couldn&#039;t find openid info in my url (<a href="http://danbri.org/) " target="_blank"></a><a href="http://danbri.org/)" rel="nofollow">http://danbri.org/)</a> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Collaborative Filtering and Social Capital by Kevin</title>
		<link>http://blog.scrump.com/2008/11/21/collaborative-filtering-social-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There seems to be some interesting points here. When recommending things, you could argue that most people&#039;s opinions have some validity i.e crowd-sourced opinions count. However, when recommending people, some people&#039;s opinions are clearly worth more than others. So as an example, an expert in Modern American Literature might recommend Richard Ford as an author, but does that mean I am more likely to like it, given that an expert has no appreciation for my personal taste? Maybe, maybe not. But, if I am looking for a tax accountant, then the recommendation of another good tax accountant does carry weight.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As with most problems, its important to separate the what (are you trying to answer) from the how (you are going to answer it). Picking some of the key data points that make up a reputation or recommendation (whether online or offline) will ultimately determine the contribution of the various techniques you have identified. It might be something that requires an iterative approach to solving the problem; one where users can give you feedback on what is (or isn&#039;t) working for them. That kind of mass experiment sounds interesting. Keep us posted ....&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be some interesting points here. When recommending things, you could argue that most people&#039;s opinions have some validity i.e crowd-sourced opinions count. However, when recommending people, some people&#039;s opinions are clearly worth more than others. So as an example, an expert in Modern American Literature might recommend Richard Ford as an author, but does that mean I am more likely to like it, given that an expert has no appreciation for my personal taste? Maybe, maybe not. But, if I am looking for a tax accountant, then the recommendation of another good tax accountant does carry weight.</p>

<p>As with most problems, its important to separate the what (are you trying to answer) from the how (you are going to answer it). Picking some of the key data points that make up a reputation or recommendation (whether online or offline) will ultimately determine the contribution of the various techniques you have identified. It might be something that requires an iterative approach to solving the problem; one where users can give you feedback on what is (or isn&#039;t) working for them. That kind of mass experiment sounds interesting. Keep us posted ....</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Collaborative Filtering and Social Capital by petef</title>
		<link>http://blog.scrump.com/2008/11/21/collaborative-filtering-social-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>petef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ale&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re absolutely right that there is a lot of relevant stuff out there that&#039;s not web-centric. And it&#039;s important to keep in mind the personal, even intimate, nature of what makes up our social capital. Some of that might not be stuff  we are comfortable sharing publicly. But hopefully something web-centric can both accommodate altruism and cooperation that actually happens online (and off), and perhaps extend the reach of where we can &#039;use&#039; social capital instead of money. Perhaps you could think of it as a global LETS scheme?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ale</p>

<p>I think you&#039;re absolutely right that there is a lot of relevant stuff out there that&#039;s not web-centric. And it&#039;s important to keep in mind the personal, even intimate, nature of what makes up our social capital. Some of that might not be stuff  we are comfortable sharing publicly. But hopefully something web-centric can both accommodate altruism and cooperation that actually happens online (and off), and perhaps extend the reach of where we can &#039;use&#039; social capital instead of money. Perhaps you could think of it as a global LETS scheme?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Collaborative Filtering and Social Capital by Ale Fernandez</title>
		<link>http://blog.scrump.com/2008/11/21/collaborative-filtering-social-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Ale Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting but hard to tell what you want feedback on. Here are my thoughts anyway:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think of social capital as my ability to offer info people might need, skills I can give for nothing (like computer stuff, music or my time in any way), offer food or have a meal at someone else&#039;s house, to have someone to call if something goes wrong, someone to borrow eggs off etc.  It&#039;s very personal and not something I&#039;d like to quantify or put up on a celebdaq style site, much less quantify as a single number. Some technologies are disruptive that way though, and can lead to cultural/social changes that make make it all more acceptable..&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do see though that when a complex system like global finance reduces it&#039;s ability to support people, they turn to social capital, and it actually becomes a more efficient system than money:  getting furniture off freecycle or making friends with neighbours for babysitting than shopping at habitat or paying a babysitter for example, makes more sense in a world where people don&#039;t have that much money. One of the saddest things about economic collapses in the past, to me, has been when even the social capital has been stopped by the lack of money - although when this happened in Argentina almost 10 years ago, some factories just carried on producing as temporary co-operatives. I think there&#039;s a lot you can research that&#039;s not just recent web centric ideas. Barter systems can emerge quite quickly, from studies I&#039;ve seen of refugee camp economics for example. My own ancestors, the Aymara, who lived in the andes before the Incas, had a long established system of trade and trust that didn&#039;t involve money, only social capital - as you got older and less capable to fend for yourself, you&#039;d ideally accumulate that capital. I think most agrarian societies would have had something like this at some point.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I wonder, are we thinking the right way about social capital and what it should do or mean? Should it be fuzzy or precise? The same pyramid shaped view of finance vs social capital means poorer people are more likely to rely more on the latter, and are also probably on the other side of the digital divide. Also, who will pay for these systems, as data centre bills go up? - unless they actually lead to much more efficiency and access to info that people can use in the basic aspects of their livelihood...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ale&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting but hard to tell what you want feedback on. Here are my thoughts anyway:</p>

<p>I think of social capital as my ability to offer info people might need, skills I can give for nothing (like computer stuff, music or my time in any way), offer food or have a meal at someone else&#039;s house, to have someone to call if something goes wrong, someone to borrow eggs off etc.  It&#039;s very personal and not something I&#039;d like to quantify or put up on a celebdaq style site, much less quantify as a single number. Some technologies are disruptive that way though, and can lead to cultural/social changes that make make it all more acceptable..</p>

<p>I do see though that when a complex system like global finance reduces it&#039;s ability to support people, they turn to social capital, and it actually becomes a more efficient system than money:  getting furniture off freecycle or making friends with neighbours for babysitting than shopping at habitat or paying a babysitter for example, makes more sense in a world where people don&#039;t have that much money. One of the saddest things about economic collapses in the past, to me, has been when even the social capital has been stopped by the lack of money - although when this happened in Argentina almost 10 years ago, some factories just carried on producing as temporary co-operatives. I think there&#039;s a lot you can research that&#039;s not just recent web centric ideas. Barter systems can emerge quite quickly, from studies I&#039;ve seen of refugee camp economics for example. My own ancestors, the Aymara, who lived in the andes before the Incas, had a long established system of trade and trust that didn&#039;t involve money, only social capital - as you got older and less capable to fend for yourself, you&#039;d ideally accumulate that capital. I think most agrarian societies would have had something like this at some point.</p>

<p>But I wonder, are we thinking the right way about social capital and what it should do or mean? Should it be fuzzy or precise? The same pyramid shaped view of finance vs social capital means poorer people are more likely to rely more on the latter, and are also probably on the other side of the digital divide. Also, who will pay for these systems, as data centre bills go up? - unless they actually lead to much more efficiency and access to info that people can use in the basic aspects of their livelihood...</p>

<p>Ale</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Collaborative Filtering and Social Capital by properdigital &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collaborative Filtering and Social Capital</title>
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		<dc:creator>properdigital &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collaborative Filtering and Social Capital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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